I was super lucky to go with the amzingsuperwonderful Frances to the "Fierce Flesh" in one of my favourite performance spaces in Sydney The Red Rattler.
I have been asked to remove the images of the night and I'm going to, In a moment sheer
I am taking steps now and have removed all images from here and my tumblr and emailing or asking everyone who sees it to email me and advise me so I can request removal or request removal yourself.
Again I am sorry for this to all the people involved about the way I did this.
And to finish the Fierce Fabulous Fleshy Frances and a Kebab sign
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This looks like it was so much fun!
Frances' dress is amaze, I want one!
I'm so jealous I couldn't fly down and be there but thanks to your photos I feel like I didn't miss out completely.
Hi I am sorry to rain on parade but it is kind of an understanding in creating safe spaces that you dont post pictures of people particularly naked without their permission. You have really really upset the person could you please remove them.
Just the naked one thanks
And I believe some sort of personal apology to the person involved is in order too. It was completely out of line to post naked pictures of someone, taken without their permission, and then to give some 'oh silly me, I thought everybody would be posting their nudie pix all over the internet' line as an explanation. Did you really? What on earth made you think that? 'Well, here I am at a queer community event in a queer owned and run space, and there is some naked chick on stage doing a REALLY intimate and personal show, so I'll just take some happy snaps and post them on my blog, yeah, that'll be cool for sure! Of course she wants the whole world to have a look at her tits and bits!' I am finding that just A WEE BIT hard to buy somehow. Seriously, we're not a bunch of beer-addled misogynist frat boys at a strip club -- I expect a LOT more respect and thought and just general NICENESS from members of 'my' community. It scares me that some people have no consideration of or reflection upon how their actions impact on others at all.
Even giving you the benefit of this really big doubt, you have significantly hurt this person and I believe you should make amends personally. It was a bad thing to do to someone, and yes, you might feel bad having to own it and actually hear their side of the story and apologise for the damage you have done, but I believe if you are actually genuine about being sorry then you will have the guts to do so.
Cheers, Zoo
Hi ya .. I totally agree with Zoo .. the lady deserves a personal apology!
Cheers
Nat
I also think that she deserves a personal apology. And even the fact that she was naked and in a safe space aside taking photos of live performances is just not cool. You distract the performers and annoy your fellow patrons. Its like talking through a performance, its just plain rude. And to then post those pictures online, how would you feel being exposed to the internet against your will?
hello.. good that you removed these photos.. bad that your apology is quite terse and passive aggressive. If it is tricky to manage public/private boundaries, can I suggest the following:
* connect with or notice the individuality of each person/performer, and avoid seeing them as 'just' entertainment, and then;
* consider the respect that you would like afforded to you and apply that to others;
* ask and get permission/releases;
admit with heart and generosity when you make a mistake or mis-judgement;
* if you do decide to make an apology, do it with honesty and goodwill.
Stella
I definitely think you should send a well-considered personal apology. Maybe this sounds condescending, but imagine what it feels like to have naked pictures of yourself on the internet without your consent. What this performer did involved a huge degree of trust. You need to acknowledge your violation of that trust by writing a personal message, not just a public one. Being body-positive - which is what Fierce Flesh was all about - involves respect for other peoples' bodies and practicing good consent.
It appears that you have interpreted the word blog to mean 'unrestrainted ill mannered narrative' Posting pics without permission (especially nude) illegal by the way, and your apology was so poor I was reminded of my children's effort after fighting with each other, not sincere and slightly derisive. Very poor very poor indeed
Hi. Just like to say, that what you did was plain idiotic and stupidly dealt with on your part afterward. What that person did in their performance involved trust and courage and was something that didnt deserve to be reduced by you to plain fun. Apart from being illegal to post photos of someone without their permission, it was a horrid thing to do and you should apologize personally to the lovely lady involved. I dont care if i sound condescending and patronizing, i'm in the other side of the world. See what the net does for you??
Suzanna L.
How would you like it if you did a very intimate performance in a selective space, where you bravely gave the audience the gift of your vulnerability, only to find photos non-consentually plastered on the internet for all and sundry to see?
Performances work in a specific context. Taken out of context they can be read in ways that contradict the artist's intentions. If you are going to take photos of a performance, ask first. Be honest about what you want to do with the photos and above all, respect the artist's wishes if the answer is "no".
Frankly, the apology that you offered is not good enough. The fact that you crossed out "naievety" when you could have deleted it reads as a retraction of the (weak) apology that follows. You owe the artist a personal, heart-felt apology.
Oh c'mon guys, I think the apology was sincere. It was a daft thing to do but Kiki said sorry, retracted the photos what more could she do? There was no malicious intentions and she just wanted to share the event with people who couldn't attend that would appreciate them. Yea she shoulda asked the performers permission but we all make mistakes and she did take em down.
(sorry to speak about you as if you're not there Kiki >.>)
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